Today's episode features Steven Gates, the founder of GoGoPool, a prominent staking service for Avalanche. The episode delves into GoGoPool's role in the Avalanche ecosystem, not only as a staking service for AVAX but also as a key player in supporting builders deploying sovereign app-chains secured by the Avalanche protocol. The conversation covers fundamental topics such as the structure of the Avalanche protocol-subnet and explores nuanced questions about the blockchain industry, addressing implications of hyper financialization and contemplating the endgame state of major blockchain ecosystems. The episode highlights the value of cross-ecosystem conversations in an industry marked by tribalism, emphasizing the enriching experience of understanding diverse perspectives within the blockchain space.